That is some what of a relief, less work digging I guess , thanks a lot guys , most of my coins have been in less than 4 inches of dirt , so at least I know that most alarms from metals in 2 ich won't be just a bottle cap or pull tab , and I see that a pin pointer isa must , it's just that I can't spend 2000 on a new pin pointer ? That almost what I paid for my gerrett 250 there must be a way to make one from scratch using a kit , it doesn't need to be pretty , just needs to work , if u can make a metal detector using a kit I'm sure u can make a pin pointer , I'm gonna get hold if my mate that's basically a technition , he was hired to fix circuit boreds and such by Samsung and sum other brands when he was 16 , so I'm sure he will find a way , does any one have a pin pointer that has packed up or broken? I wanna see if I can bring it back from the dead , or atlest have something to copy for a desighn ?